tv Headline News RT May 19, 2013 12:00pm-12:46pm EDT
the latest news and the week's top stories the hunger strike at one ton of obaid costs as the hundred day mago with most inmates are still slogging themselves in the indefinite detention without charge. the us government seizes a free records of over one hundred journalists from the associated press is blocking media outrage but the white house insists it was unaware of the probe. syria's president maintains he'll stay until he's voted out and warns that foreign banks rebels will keep fighting despite international efforts to mediate peace. and a more spas in disguise a russian security exposes a cia chief in moscow as u.s. intelligence is left red faced after again getting called red handed trying to
recruit a russian agent. it's eight pm here in at the russian capital you love with us on our d. with me to bomb would say it's good to have your company with us now more than a hundred days as soon as the mass hunger strike at guantanamo bay began there's still no sign that any of the protesters are willing to back down well overhauls although the people detained there without charge of protecting the indefinite applied with no hope of release some inmates are say they're seeking freedom through death but the u.s. military forces force feeding them to make sure that doesn't happen is granted she can report. after years of the natural injustice and indifference
and after more than three months of starvation one tunnel detainees have finally got the president's attention i'm going to go back after this they've heard these words before as president i will close guantanamo reject the military commissions act and if you go to the geneva conventions and now we're dead it needs to be closed now congress and again as many times before the white house if it were sponsibility to congress there's much he can do administratively without congress without having a legislative act even under current restrictions the administration has the power to use national security waivers to release many of these men which it hasn't used it's the charge that well the fear that if you release some of these prisoners that have been accused of being terrorist in the past and and they do something else or you find them going into terrorist organizations you will pay
a heavy political price for that so many of these men have fallen victim not just to their wrongful capture but also to u.s. politicians assumptions of what they may or may not do in the future but you can or you can of all people want to maybe you know this is a we're not future police here so far the administration's only response to the crisis have gone carnival has been to force feeding tubes down detainees nostrils the fact of the matter is that when an individual makes a decision of sound mind makes a decision to refuse food as a political protest then as we said in our joint statement it is not open to the states in a second chance to force them to do each. and the full speeding here involves the insertion of a tube of some significant down on the diameter through the nasal passages and into the stomach in the most horrible of circumstances the un special rapporteur on human rights also told me that he was encouraged to. here the president once again expressed commitment to close the infamous prison president of united states has
said one time was a problem and yet on the ground for some reason the camp administration continues to treat these men and humanely and to deny them basic dignity for years the administration is engaged in verbal and legal acrobatics to justify its inaction on guantanamo and still not clear how long before people there start dying but one thing is clear the elephant in the room just got too big to ignore in washington i'm going to shut down. the u.s. military recently requested tens of millions of dollars to renovate the prison saying congress has decided to keep it open indefinitely maintaining the notorious camps already costing america a considerable sum let's take a load nine hundred thousand dollars that's the price of keeping just one inmate there for a year and there's one hundred and sixty six inmates at guantanamo bay maybe you have been held without charge for more than a decade now it also calls the much less a convicted prisoner in the u.s.
artie's bill dodd to talk to guantanamo spokesman navy captain robert duran who denied abuse at the facility. they get a what we call a full frisk which is a pat down search not unlike you'd experience going through airport security if you are selected for secondary screening in the united states it's quick it's full clothing on and it's noninvasive it's not the detainees job to tell the truth the lawyers just repeat what the detainees say that all of those allegations are false and let me ask you about the allegations about the on the safe and inhumane force feeding all of those prisoners who are on hunger strike do you deny that the policy of the united states and its to reserve life for lawful means we have currently thirty who are doing and carolyn said that's using a liquid nutrition supplement most of them when they're ordered to do that go compliantly and take it a percentage about
a third need to be taken to their cheating it's a procedure that's done in hospitals and nursing homes every day it's not done to harass them but it's done kids sustain life to sustain life but we've been hearing from the medical justice network who is saying that don't deserve accused of the looting in torture that at the camp and that's been agreed on by the world medical association and the u.n. the u.s. and we disagree with them it's a matter of national policies are courts of up held that. sustaining life you lawful means is lawful we have a medical protocol where we evaluate detainees based on their weight loss and co-morbidity we allow them to hunger strikes that if they get below eighty five percent of body weight some damage could be down we will do the involuntary feeding all of those allegations are false they're not they're not being subject to extreme temperatures they're not being denied food and water the conditions are as good as
they can possibly be they had satellite television and they had communal living that all kinds of good things were transparent facility. lawyers for the detainees are strongly disagree with captain duran's assessment or they claim the captives are being held in an bearable conditions and are subject to daily harassment clive stafford smith the represents several of the hunger strikers and says they are being forced forced to keep silent about the truth. let's face it when my clients are coming to have a telephone call that me last i heard you can smuggle anything in and now it's on the telephone and so the idea that they threaten the prisoners with full body and i won't go into the really graphic but it's basically a sexual assault is just a threat to try to get them not to talk to us and frankly the reason for this is fairly obvious that there's been an awful lot of information coming out of guantanamo bay that doesn't suit the authorities last friday two of my clients refused to have called with me for the simple reason that they didn't want to go
through that process i had one of the other lawyers from reprieve was at the base last week and twice prisoners didn't want to come out for a visit because of what they've been threatened with well of course in order to negotiate an end to the strike we have to give justice to these prisoners and we're talking about as you well know eighty six of one hundred sixty six prisoners have been cleared for release that's fifty two percent of men third and most of the people i represent there's only one way and this strike sadly and that's to take the prisoners who've been cleared for release and set them free. that's how things are right now a very big one time of a hunger strike to get yourself up to speed on the events of the past one hundred days at r.t. dot com there you'll find complete and comprehensive coverage with comments and analysis from u.s. officials lawyers and some former detainees it's all online. the
u.s. justice department got embroiled in another surveillance scandal this week sees two months of phone records of editors and journalists from the country's biggest news gathering service the associated press is wall has the details. it's being called an unprecedented government intrusion the justice department secretly collected two months of telephone records from the associated press and its reporters. a.p. believes this story prompted the secret investigation the cia uncovered a plot to bomb a u.s. bound airliner a plot originated in yemen and was carried out by al qaeda there arabian peninsula by reporting this al qaeda was put on notice that the cia had an inside look at their activities the a.p. says the justice department did not say why they needed the information but says among the nearly two dozen telephone records collected at least five of them were
from reporters working on the story in question this was a very serious. a very serious leak and a very very serious leak. i've been a prosecutor since nine hundred seventy six and i have to say that this is among if not the most serious it is within the top two or three most serious leaks that never see it put the american people at risk and that is not hyperbole eric holder announced today he was recusing himself from this a.p. investigation the prominent news agency condemned the government's actions in a letter to holder associated press c.e.o. gary pruitt says quote these records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the news gathering activities undertaken by the a.p. during a two month period provide a roadmap to news gathering operations and disclose information about a.p.'s activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know now for an explanation as to why the government pulled reporters' phone records without
notifying them the worries the effect the news will have on the media and its sources i think the effect on the media has already been felt i mean you have sources that are being shut down doors just. being shot in people's faces now that was probably the intention the intention was to scare. the turn off the faucet in other words from leaks in the wake of the controversy white house press secretary jay carney reiterated the obama administration's dedication to transparency he believes strongly in the need for the press to be unfettered in its pursuit of investigative journalism he also believes strongly as a citizen and as president in the need to ensure that classified information is not leaked because it can endanger our national security interests this balance between transparency and national security has been a delicate one since nine eleven the obama administration has a history of aggressively going after whistleblowers prosecuting more people for
leaking classified information than any other administration combined and washington is wall our. investigative journalist said tony gosling says of this probe it has a whole crop of journalism in danger. individuals who whistleblowers etc people with stories cannot know can no longer trust the journalists so if they go with confidential information to those journalists and have confidential fun conversations they all know it no longer guarantee those journalists can keep those conversations secret because the justice department is coming in on a massive troop only hold two months pay one could understand it might be if it's a small investigation over a couple of days or so particular phone line possibly but this is a fishing operation and it is an appalling attack really on the freedom of the press in america a government in the us which is out of control and ultimately this is the wrong is effectively a kind of police state where the government thinks it can do what it wants what
we're seeing is erosion of some of the basic civil liberties that we've said for the last thirty forty years this is what we hold dear we're saying that all these terrible al-qaeda etc try to take those civil liberties away but i'll call it wrong taking away our own governments or taking them away. some countries are also make sure other governments in the loop when they need to snoop surveillance technology developed in the u.k. would use against about raney activists is now taking legal action and tells the story yeah on r.t. and a couple of mean. we
speak your language i mean some of the worn out of the. programs and documentaries in spanish what matters to you. a little eternity bangalore's stories. here. the spanish find out more visit actuality. welcome back this is our team in syria government forces have reported before their way into the heart of a key rebel stronghold the city of qusayr near the lebanese border is said to be
a vital hub for the smuggling of arms into syria meanwhile the president's originated his commitment to stay at the helm until next year's elections as say only the people can decide his future bashar assad and since he won buckled to lessen pressure he also exposed the job of any breakthrough in the upcoming international conference on syria saying the fractured following backed opposition will stay committed to violence the gathering expected in the coming weeks is being brokered by russia as with the u.s. but it remains unclear who will speak for the rebels u.n. has also and also the international efforts to mediate peace as you got peace cannot record. well after a meeting with russia's leadership un secretary-general ban ki moon agreed that the conflict in syria could only be resolved in accordance with international law without any foreign military intervention and with the full respect of serious territorial integrity he also agreed to the idea of putting together this joint
conference which would include both the syrian rebels and the authorities now they were also able to establish the list of current stumbling blocks concerning this idea and well first of all currently the opposition. still quite divided it's unclear who would be able to represent it as a whole at such a conference secondly moscow wants to see all the regional players taking part in such a conference including iran which may cause problems with washington and also if the syrian authorities are ready to take part in such a conference right now then the rebels are making are voicing preconditions which include president assad having to step down but in general ban ki moon's visit continues this diplomatic marathon which will been witnessing for the past few weeks a lot of officials have been coming to russia discussing syria including u.s. secretary of state the prime ministers of great britain and israel and in general it seems the approach of many nations two ways of resolving the conflict in the
country is changing now however there are still many problems including the one with the washington since when john kerry was in moscow it seemed that they were completely on the scene ph with russia's leadership but as soon as you left he started calling again for president assad to step down and promised more support of the rebels and that was back just recently by president barack obama himself what's widely being ignored is the fact that many of these rebels admit that they are receiving directions from international terror organizations including al qaida there are tons of videos in the web showing horrific acts conducted by rebels including public executions of captured syrian soldiers there is this just troubling and horrific video of a rebel cutting the horde out of a dead syrian soldiers chest and eating it on camera calling on everybody else to
do the same and promising to continue doing so in the future and also there is the statistic from various international activist groups which basically shows that every time the rebels receive weapons from abroad the violence just spikes. fresh frias of serious complaints of breaching its borders grew this week when protesters clashed with police in neighboring turkey demonstrators my angry and on chorus support for the rebels and say the turkish people are paying the price for the involvement of the protests in istanbul and the capital to guess what's next on the turkish border town which was the scene of a deadly double bombing today they can blame syria the attack with stunning didn't identify did the finger add radical rebels importantly in the town journalist and money well off them by tat who's covered the syrian crisis extensively says that turkey is aggravating the conflict by backing the insurgency. the turkish
demonstrators the turkish people is upset because of what was happening on the turkish side it's their full right because it's like to let me say to invite a firestarter into your house because you want to send to me later to your neighbors and then you wonder the firestarter starts putting fire on your own house we have to see that turkey has a nine hundred kilometer long border to syria and we have to see that turkey doesn't do anything to prevent terrorists and mercenaries crossing the border from turkey to syria in contradiction turkey even supports those terrorists training camps. turkey is giving supply a lot of means in turkey is right now and being like a hostile power towards the mosque as if it's a the so-called. more moderate rebels claimed a couple of times in the past that they considered the jihadists from the you know stuff thrown into. the troops as their comrades in the fight against hamas this so
if the winds tell us now or turkey says we support the moderate rebels it's not true because nobody can assure a gun comes from the hand of a so-called moderate rebel in the hand off a so-called extremist rebel i think we should start to distinguish finally because this is a big lie. twenty three years apart and finally reunited we've got an amazing story for you on our website the only tool that helped to land locate his home and family two decades after being kidnapped was. also. the pentagon pulled the plug on an ambitious space project is by going over two hundred million dollars on it already we'll tell you why online. washington the crossed a red line that was the call from russia secret service of this week after they
busted a cia's by offering a million dollars to a russian security agent in return for assistance there was red faces at the american embassy in moscow as the identity was also revealed of the cia bureau chief working under the guise of a diplomat but in a question of our takes up the story. caught in the act trying to recruit a russian special services agent to work for the americans now russia's federal security service has released a photo of technical equipment and some other items that were found when he was detained including a compress a map of moscow a large amount of cash and even two weeks to allegedly use as disguises now this is suspected cia agent was offering one million dollars a year for passing on classified information and that was revealed to you know why a taped telephone conversation between four and the security agent he was trying to recruit made public by russia's federal security service. if you're going to the
store subordinate to the new post mortem as opposed to talk of the warden you know what the store clerk yes because of the mortgages on the bottom but the words of a million little old you and yes. some no no i was. such a fool has been handed over to the american authorities and now faces deportation the f.s.b. told r.t. that was not the first case and recent years since two thousand and eleven there have been in fact four other similar cases one case involves another american embassy employee who was trying to recruit a russian employee of national anti terror committee the ass's b. says that there is a striking resemblance to the focal scase and that the cia has gone too far with this spying operations. we will put out the actions of the american spy benjamin he tried to convince an employee of the russian national
counterterrorism community to hand over classified documents at this department to the cia like mr fogle he was deported from russia we hope the cia would listen and something like that would never happen again so we decided not to release the information about dylan to the public but apparently they didn't learn that lesson . so we had to react according to official instructions. and as average with a juicy spy story at hand the exposure of a cia spy in moscow got the media animated it was a mixture flat for and disbelief at their alleged spies quite clumsy recruiting techniques but that's quite a common reaction to the stories like this but still it doesn't make them a new last true let's remember the previous spy scandals for instance back in two thousand and six russian t.v. showed a documentary exposing several british and my six agents working in moscow and here
is the high concept they used rocks at that time the media laughed at what was considered a conspiracy theory until a high ranking adviser to the prime minister admitted it's true so rocks weeks compresses and maps james bond doesn't exactly have much competition right now. virgin's been taken to task for failing to keep a close watch on how its spying technology is used the rights activist says represented a repressive government is u.k. made equipment to keep tabs on her she is now taking the issue to london's high court to the manufacturers and says the devices are designed for criminal investigations but privacy campaigners say the system's abuse is why right now how does this really work the program is first called thin spy and it can perform a wide range of surveillance operation it works by infecting your computer and then
recording conversations and social media activities you can also take screen shots without your knowledge and access information on your hard drive now eyelash a hobby who while the court documents are told r.t. that digital surveillance has been spreading in bahrain since former high ranking u.k. police officer john yates became security advice away. disguised as if they were from journalists and were from other activists and then after we discovered after two months investigation of a technical analysis to try and. investigate what kind of information on what this software actually does we discovered there was a company called gamma international which sells this software to foreign governments so we assume and we given the circumstances in which i received the e-mails and the nature of the e-mails this was a suspect this was sold to the bahraini government but we also know that the
servers. received this information from the software is actually based in the servers are currently in bahrain and they're being updated in bahrain which means that this is further evidence over the past two years particularly british advisor john yates joined the bahrain security services we have noticed the increase in the use of surveillance in the use of c.c.t.v. and the use of digital surveillance and there are very targeted arrests and infiltration amongst protest activists happening using the latest technology technologies and this is all happened since following on from the hiring of the recruitment of john yates and most of these companies that provide all of this technology are british now we know of at least that to six. be maintained worldwide so now that this is a global operation international has sold this software to at least twenty five governments and the use seems the use of the software seems to have no any type of
restriction so this is turning into a global phenomenon and it's run by the private sector so we're looking increasingly at the commercialisation of digital surveillance which is even scarier because it's very difficult to regulate. the new renegade currency big coins taking a bit other heads as america's financial heavies make a move on its developers a we look at what makes people switch from conventional currencies to spot the money. and flows annuity builds a british subs are raising eyebrows in westminster as it's feared the u.k.'s defense of budget is turning into a multi-billion pound the black hole will have more after this.
technology innovation all the developments around russia we've got the future covered. sometimes you see a story and it seems. you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear see some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew. was a big. download . application so. stream quality and enjoy your favorite. if you're away from your television it just doesn't matter now with your mobile device you can watch your t.v. anytime anywhere.
welcome back you're watching our t.v. it's been a turbulent week for the digital currency big coin which has seen its fons of its major operators caesar by the u.s. government big line has been on a market roller coaster recent think raising about eight times in value in april before slowing defeating to its current price of one hundred twenty two dollars per unit now here's how the cyber currency actually works uses much for us install a virtual wall it onto a computer all also device they can then transfer the big coins from one wanted to another use of off a small charge and without the banking mediator from a distance it may resemble the pay pal system or web money but a key difference is anonymity all transactions and encrypted are encrypted and
untraceable this aspect is the subject of many debates with some fearing that big point could be abused by those sending weapons and drugs my economic expert in new rockwell says it's the lack of a govern the bill c. and control of the currency that's alarming the authorities. financial privacy of every sort is under attack all over the world in switzerland and in the us of course and the you they want to know every single thing about every dime we have every dime we spend the better to control us and and to tax us as the governments become more and more authoritarian as they seek to run every aspect of our lives so yeah they hate something like like bitcoin that's one of the reasons it's prospering people are are sick of sick of the government sick of the government tyranny which is increasing at quite an alarming rate it's a business will it prosper why we should all all the best of luck the us is certainly targeting the exchanges that are going to companies that are not
registered as money transfer agents maybe in the us and in the you and other more authoritarian areas bitcoin will end up being a lot variant of pay pal it's still a good thing if people use it if people want to use it if it prospers in the market that means it's serving a purpose i don't care what the treasury says or the fed or fin sin or the rest of these tyrannical agencies in washington which you know want us all just a service on their plantation british m.p.'s one this week that the country may not be able to bear the brunt of its inflated defense equipment budget plan to spend almost one hundred sixty billion pounds on military hardware in a decade much of that is being splashed out on a new class of nuclear submarines even day the vessels leave much to be desired sour for three fourths. the cutting edge in military technology. every decade tens of billions of pounds in the making these of britain's new class of hunter killer submarines and they've been making waves that lead to.
problems from ground to. corrosion this is. the astute and. the damning description is a far cry from what britain's ministry of defense has hailed as one of the most technologically advanced machines in the world as impressive as she sounded on paper. launch into the public sphere it's not been an easy one the series of leaks intelligence has become clear that problems could run deeper. is that. if. the design started in the mid ninety's. you know. with all the electronics. present time to try and keep up with that then you need
to think about replacing equipment. was complete problem. in the northeast of england in barrow in thoroughness is now the only site in the u.k. that designs builds and test submarines and that work forms the backbone of the economy here the current owner of the shipyard is a defense systems not without its critics it's a company that shrouds itself in secrecy and it didn't disappoint when it came to addressing the alleged catalog of. marine program having been beset by the design for allegations. we asked the aide to give us their side of the story but they declined to comment. is perhaps a nice surprise with the government to serve an astute class submarines only two
are in the water with one still being built any one of the things that has become quite part of the obviously the people be. very protective. and you preach. about the. sort of information that. it is difficult for you come to expect an understanding and there's a distinction between the protectiveness and secretiveness of local people compared to seek to most of the conflicts and that's because in terms of the local people in barrow people are protecting them because this is their heritage state history and from the perspective you understand. because the commercialism that's that's the reason that they're being paid x. amount of money to build and design something the local pride here in the submarines is evident but even the ministry of defense is being forced into embarrassing admissions about what they've turned teething troubles.
and so do we continue producing this. or do we get it right and then start again the problem here is this is if they stop. short of submarine attack submarine. and that means that strategy. really is quite serious with the launch of the third class submarine still some way off the next couple of years that this project. sink or swim time. r.t. baron furnace in the north of england. iran's ambassador to russia says his country would be ready to allow more inspections of one of the its nuclear facilities but only after a special. protocol is signed to run claims it's literally as punched in sight as a convent army base but the un's nuclear watchdog believes it has carried out covertly atomic bomb research now live to the iranian capital and with political
analysts and they had mohammad marandi mr marandi if you're able to hear me thank you for joining us iran's our scheme to write down all its accusations before it allows inspections why is there a reluctance to do that. i couldn't hear your question well because the line isn't very good but. i think what i think i understand what you're saying right now what the iranians are saying is that in order for an agreement to be signed between iran and the i.a.e.a. . the two sides have to trust each other and for each give there must be a take in other words if you ron takes a step forward dai a must also give something in return and vice versa what the iranians are saying is that part of chain which is a military complex is it's fine with iran for the i.a.e.a. to inspect at site but the iranians wanted to be done within
a comprehensive framework otherwise if the iranians allow the i.a.e.a. inspectors inside there's no reason to prevent the americans from giving when they find nothing then the americans will say no well it wasn't that building it was in another building in the parching site that you need to see and this story will go on forever and ever and the americans don't want the issue resolved in the eyes of iran and so the iranians are saying let's sign a comprehensive agreement and then we will allow you into the site and return you have to give something to us if it is proven that there is nothing there that is dangerous or suspicious then the i.a.e.a. must give us a sign of approval and say that yes these suspicions were untrue and in this particular case the iranians have no problem whatsoever so it's very easy from the perspective of the iranians to to resolve but i chief is
basically someone who is controlled by the united states who's installed by the united states and there he is one willing to resolve the situation so if i understand you clearly you're saying there's a tit for tat the issue happening here would you say this is why did the world powers they runyan talks in kazakstan last month and who would just say is the most stubborn of the two sides. well in the in the recent talks in russia what was interesting was that the iranians gave forward put forward specific proposals and the iranians which were linked directly to enriching uranium but the other side was unable to give a clear response and in fact they said the five plus one they said they have to go back to their capitals and seek advice and permission and discuss have
discussions with their leaders so what came out from these talks was the fact that the iranians were willing to be fact flexible and the iranians had the authority to make decisions yet the five plus one had led by ashton did not have room for maneuver they did not have the authority to make a decision and therefore the talks start so i think what is clear now is that the iranians are willing to talk seriously yet the other side because of the situation that western countries have brought about otherwise china and russia have a much more progressive attitude to the talks but the other side is unable to make a decision and to move forward. say you know mohammad marandi a political analyst i have to leave it right there because i've just run out of time but thank you very much for your analysis thank you for having rides the united europe mantra is wearing a but then for some parts of the e.u.
the dangerous experiments on prisoners they want to make money and they have to use healthy guinea pigs in the regular society they're not able to use prisoners i mean more they wish they could. drug tests on human guinea pigs. paid to call deadly pills to get in the subway he was killed. he didn't pass away they let him down. is pharmacy really about helping people.
today we're talking about the future of germany's i'm joined by the author and campaign it for bavarian independence wilford shiloh thank you for talking to us. why should the variac go it alone. because bavaria is if a free state by virtue of its history economic power population size and constitutional set up ever since the federal republic of germany was established in one nine hundred forty nine the very it has lost considerably in independence authority and competencies just as the european union was assuming more and more powers i would like to change that what would be the benefits of an independent feria. course as foot with its population of twelve and
a half million varia is germany's second most populated state after north rhine-westphalia it also has the strongest economy and boasts outstanding progress in science and technology so why can't a state like that take charge of its own future if we look at the european union twenty out of its twenty seven member states are in faery it's above area in terms of population economic power and efficiency why can't we have more control of our political and economic standing in europe. how do you see bavaria going about trying to achieve independence. and it would about it there is a brilliant democratic solution for that the people should decide the bavarian constitution attributes and especially high status to any referendum and there have been referendums in bavaria in history certainly i would never agree to an independent variable that would not be conscious about its responsibilities as part
of germany and as part of europe. but the various should have more say as regards its political and economic status this is all the more important since brussels as well as berlin have been continuously taking on new competencies in the past decades but a case in point as far as finance is concerned is the german inheritance tax which is levied in all of the states by the federal government even on fiscal matters it isn't the states who get to make decisions but the federal policy makers in berlin this cannot last forever have you looked at independence campaigns in other parts of the world i'm thinking particularly scottish independence or catalonian independence and try to learn something from what they are achieving then. what we can learn from history is that political maps are not set in stone nations can have their boundaries altered through a peaceful process based on the will of the people that take the form czechoslovakia which was dissolved peacefully forming two independent states the
czech republic and the slovak republic but there are many more examples scotland will be holding an independence referendum in twenty four team and a similar initiative is currently being debated in catalonia there are movements with a similar agenda in many european countries which i'm especially critical of being competencies within the e.u. is itself the capital of a nation whose actual existence this question of will as belgium appears to be divided more than it is united would an independent bavaria remain within the e.u. would it keep the single currency suppressed and because it couldn't but definitely and we could have our own representation in brussels as an independent state same as the scottish who also wish to remain in the european union in case they succeed historically very has always been an integral part of europe and in.